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Am I an underachiever if I don’t want to make $100,000 or more a year?

 

 

On March 22, 2012, Jon Morrow, a noteworthy entrepreneur, offered a free webinar on how to launch a successful blog.  I stayed and listened to him talk for almost 3 hours about his ideas.  At the end of the webinar he offered his new program, 10X3.  He is going to train ten bloggers for ten weeks for $10,000 per enrollment.

 

Jon talked about big numbers of email subscribers: it takes 2,000 subscribers to make $100,000 a year; 10,000 subscribers will generate a book deal; ProBlogger has 150,000 subscribers.

 

Truthfully I have never considered these kinds of numbers, for subscribers or for income.  I asked him something like, “What if you want to make $20 – 30,000 a year?”

 

His response was, “Well, that’s ok if you want to be an underachiever.”

 

Huh.

 

He offered some good suggestions that I will probably implement, but that one comment threw me into an emotional tailspin.

 

As always, I started asking myself a boatload of questions, after a few rounds of negative self-talk.

 

How interesting.

 

Whenever I react with a big flame of emotion and indignation, it’s my ego talking.  I don’t view myself as an underachiever.  I’ve been successful as a social worker and mental health therapist for 30 years.  I’ve dedicated my life to helping people and believe it’s important to be of service to others.  I have never earned much money doing this. Yesterday, my mother reminded me, “You took a vow of poverty.”  And for years, it was true.

 

My husband earns a very generous income.  We do not need another $100,000.  Would I like another $100,000?  Sure.  What would I do with it?  Travel and give it away.  We have a lot of stuff, I don’t want more stuff.

 

Recently I’ve become aware of how uncomfortable it is for me to discuss my worth and value in terms of marketing.  Putting myself out there is difficult.  I’m trying to minimize my ego, not grow it larger.  On the other hand, I don’t want to fail and I want to get my message out there.

 

What is my message?  If you are unhappy with your life as it is right now or confused about which direction to take, I can help you.  Lifelong learning is invaluable.  Personal and spiritual growth is important and required if you want to create and adapt to changes in your life.  Connecting with nature can give you peace.  Discover your heart’s desire.  Be peace.  Be love. 

 

I am searching in my own heart for the answer to this question, “Do I want to make a lot of money?  If not, then what will determine my success?”

 

Jon mentioned that in order to succeed that you must be obsessed.  I am.  I see how unhappy and anxious people are and I want to tell them, “It doesn’t have to be this way.  You can make things different.  You can feel more contented and relaxed.  Take a journey with me and I’ll show you how.”

 

I’ve been told that if you follow your passion, the money will follow.  Jon got me wondering if this is true.  And if it’s not true, how long will I continue to try?

 

I don’t know the answer to these questions.

 

What do I know for sure?  (Oprah’s monthly question)

 

I made a commitment to myself when I started this business that I would work at it, that I would confront my fears, and that I would succeed.

 

Success for me does not mean that I need to earn $100,000.

 

I don’t think that makes me an underachiever.  It’s not about the money and I guess I need to remember that.  I do want to make enough money to pay for exotic trips but I also want to remember my spiritual principles.  I want to be of service and help others more than I want to make a lot of money.

 

I also know that if I were younger and just starting out or dependent solely on myself to make an income that my attitude would be completely different.  I have the luxury of being able to decide not to make earning that much money my goal.

 

So, even though I won’t be signing up for 10X3, thanks, Jon, for helping me to clarify my priorities.  Again.

 

 

53 Comments

  1. Michelle on March 23, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Many of us choose not to define success in terms of dollars but in terms of the difference we make in the lives of those we touch. I don’t consider that being an underachiever but simply being clear about what we truly care about. 🙂
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    • Loran Hills on March 23, 2012 at 10:39 am

      I agree, Michelle, but I had to think about it for awhile first!

  2. Kari Day on March 23, 2012 at 10:58 am

    I certainly don’t like his response to you. It was rude, and untrue. I don’t think it makes you an underachiever to not make boatloads of money. If he can’t teach people to make 1,000$ as well as $100,000 then he’s not worth 10 Cents to me. That is the truth. Not all of us want to be obsessed, but all of us want to share our message, touch the lives of those around us, and live our purpose.

    • Loran Hills on March 23, 2012 at 11:12 am

      Well, he did say it jokingly, sort of, and he offers plenty of free advice. The webinar was specifically designed for a certain group of people. It took me some time to realize that I am not in that group and that’s ok.

  3. Petrea on March 23, 2012 at 11:16 am

    I’m with you Loran!

    People define success in many different ways, money is just one of them, and in and of itself I don’t see lots of money as successful. Some people earn tons of money and spend tons or time doing it, leaving little time to enjoy their life. For me its about being of service, making a difference. Sure I want to earn a good money doing what I love but that is not my main goal, if it were then what we have to offer – being of service to others- becomes lost in it all.

    You are definitely not an underachiever Loran!
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    • Loran Hills on March 23, 2012 at 11:27 am

      Jon’s story is very different from mine and what motivates him to make money is different as well. He also believes that he is helping people and I think it’s true.

      Thanks, Petrea, for believing in me and for always being so supportive!

  4. Joy on March 23, 2012 at 11:32 am

    Hi Loran,
    Money is just another form of energy. Sometimes people are afraid of having “too much” of anything, so find various reasons to deflect an abundance of it. As you are doing, think of the currency you would like your business to reap abundance of, then invest in that currency. Like you, I do not “need” $100,000 and I do not measure my “success” in terms of dollars, rather in terms of lives enriched and hearts healed. However, if in the process, I am deflecting dollars (that is in essence deflecting energy), I need to examine why.
    Jon’s expertise is in expansive dollars and numbers, so his answer to you within that setting was within those parameters. So many people in our field “play small”…and in such a seminar of “bigs” one might understand his answer in context.
    For background, I choose to live a minimalist lifestyle and am in spiritual work. I think recently there is so much “us” versus “them” in marketing and business. One may live within alignment and allow service to be a huge part of that *and* have abundant money.
    We are what we choose to be, label-free ♥

    • Loran Hills on March 23, 2012 at 11:51 am

      Joy, thank you so much for this response. I do tend to deflect energy out of fear and playing small. And I agree that within the context of his parameters, Jon’s answer is understandable.

      There is no “us” and “them” so staying aligned is very important.

  5. Gaelyn on March 23, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Jon sounds like an informative jerk, yet he gave you insight even if unintended. To many it’s All about $$$$. That’s really too bad, as most of them will never know the true joy of life and giving. You most certainly are an achiever, following your dreams.
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    • Loran Hills on March 23, 2012 at 11:50 am

      Gaelyn, I’m going to agree with Joy that in the context of what Jon is doing and selling his answer makes sense. I don’t believe he is an informative jerk because his story is quite remarkable. The important part was for me not to let my ego get in the way of exploring my emotional reaction!

  6. Suerae Stein on March 23, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    You have your head on straight, Loran! And I would consider you a very lucky person to even know what your passion is. Achievement isn’t about money, but our culture is confused about that. I often have to remind myself that money is not the same as value. We should not be rated by how much money we make. And our culture is totally skewed as to who we pay the big bucks to! Great post!
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  7. Robyn on March 23, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    I think there are as many motivating factors as there are people who are in business. Not everyone even ever wants to make a dime from what they are called to do. Some can make millions fulfilling their hearts desires. Both are ok, in my opinion. We’re here to change the world. And so we shall. Regardless of the payoff.

  8. Loran Hills on March 23, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Yes to changing the world! And, it’s a good thing that we are all different.

  9. Kathryn Hunter on March 23, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    I like much of what Jon has to say, but there is definitely a large chunk that does not resonate with me either. It sounds like your question pushed one of Jon’s buttons. I have a friend whose goal is to make seven figures this year and that works for him, but I look at what it would take for me to do that and just don’t care enough. I want to know how many people I can help crack open their shells and take a peek outside. Plus, if I had a million dollars, I’d have to figure out what to do with it and that’s not where I want to put my energy either.
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    • Loran Hills on March 23, 2012 at 1:12 pm

      The trick is, Kathryn, to sort out what resonates and what doesn’t, what works for me and what doesn’t. It’s those darn emotional triggers that get in the way of logic sometimes!

  10. Dolly on March 23, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Loran,

    This is a great post. Some of us want more money than others, but money should not and is not a sole criteria for defining success. Not making a lot of money doesn’t make you a failure.

    For example, someone could decide to dedicate their life to helping children in Africa or something. They would NEVER make money doing it, unless they wrote a book about it or did a TV show. But they would be making a difference to children’s lives, every single day. I call it a success.

    Well done on confronting your fears, confusion and sticking to what you believe in.

    • Loran Hills on March 23, 2012 at 1:55 pm

      Thanks, Dolly. As I recall Mother Theresa wasn’t earning 6 figures! 🙂 Not that I am a saint by any means, nor am I aspiring to be one. Progress, not perfection, is the key.

  11. gina on March 23, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    I have to admit, I don’t know a lot of people who are truly happy and also have a lot of money………maybe I just haven’t met them yet either. Money does make some things easier, and harder in another way. This is a very interesting subject miss Loran……

    I always used to say that money didn’t matter to me, and in a way it doesn’t and isn’t my lever of how successful I am. But I also think part of who was saying that was my ego. I didn’t want to look like ‘a selfish person who just wanted money’.

    But I have to say that now I’d be ok with making a chunk of money. And I can say that now because I have become more aware and have dissected my ego quite a bit. I know that having a lot of money will not be the key to my happiness…..I know that nothing outside myself can make me happy (of course going to go buy an iPad right now would seem to make me happy, lol, but we all know that happiness is just temporary. 🙂

    So I believe whatever each person says and believes about money, if you are truly coming from your heart and your higher Self, is the best answer for them. But if you feel any internal conflict at all with what you believe, check in again bc the ego has put its two-cents in.

    I do what I love and what I’m passionate about………and I would love for the money to follow, if that’s what is meant to be, because it will allow me to keep doing what I love. And it would also allow me to help others in other ways. 🙂
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    • Loran Hills on March 23, 2012 at 1:56 pm

      Gina, you and I know that the ego is a tricky adversary. I’m really grateful to have the tools to be aware of when it’s acting up and kind of knowing what to do eventually. I do what I love and some money to keep doing it would be great, for sure.

      And, for good measure:

      Constant Vigilance

      The crucial point is to maintain constant vigilance over and awareness of our mental state so that, at the moment that afflictive emotions rise up, they will not trigger a chain of deluded thoughts. Thus, we neither let desire overwhelm our mind, nor do we repress it while leaving it intact in a hidden corner of the mind. We simply become free from its alienating power.

      – Matthieu Ricard, “Working with Desire”

  12. Sara on March 23, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Honey, you don’t to be obsessed with “metrics” to amount to anything (pun intended). That’s just bullshit. And at any rate, when we find what we love, we’re going to do it whether or not we get paid. That’s the soundbite no one’s sharing!

    Don’t even equate your success with metrics, just like I don’t equate my health success with what my scale says. My gut tells me what means success to you doesn’t really invoke dollar signs — which isn’t to say you don’t deserve them $$, or that they aren’t nice or that I don’t wish them to fly your way in abundance! But if that’s the DRIVE (making a set point of money) in our obsession to succeed in our businesses, it doesn’t ring true and no one is gonna buy it.. pun intended again. 🙂

  13. Loran Hills on March 23, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    Sara, as you know, I’m not obsessed with metrics alone. I did find it interesting to consider. If metrics were important then I would have given up by now but I haven’t and I won’t. My drive to succeed is internal, not external, fortunately!

  14. Jacqueline Gates on March 23, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    It’s a frightfully ‘masculine’ energy, isn’t it?

    It’s interesting to me that most women would say they’re not going after the money but rather the people they can help. The money is a means, rather than an end.

    I really DO want to make a boatload of money, for the freedom and security it brings but I already make enough to cover all the scrumptious little luxuries I want, so it’s not about that.

    To me, making the money means that I can continue doing what makes my heart sing, rather than what pays the bills. That I can gift freely and easily, and not just when it’s birthdays or Christmas. That I can afford the tools I need to spread my message and passion across the globe.

    And that I can gift my husband an extra 10 years of retirement/play time.

    Will I need $100k per year to achieve these?
    Probably not.
    But will I continue to aim for affluence rather than struggling?
    Definitely.

    We each choose the ‘currency’ of our lives, and the yardstick to measure it by.
    For Jon, it’s dollars.
    For you, goddess Loran, it’s probably less tangible.

    But none of us have the right to label another as an underachiever just because they don’t reach a certain notch on our yardstick.

    What’s important is that they continue to grow when measured with their own.
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  15. Loran Hills on March 23, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Jacqui, the money is the means. The currency of my life is much less tangible but it’s connected to having peace of mind and being true to myself and my values.

  16. Shelly Allen on March 23, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Everyone has their own perception of success.

    Does it make them right or wrong?

    No… it just makes them AWESOMELY different…:)

    Great post Loran and tell ol’ Jon Boy to suck it (JUST KIDDING… I couldn’t resist:))

    • Loran Hills on March 23, 2012 at 6:53 pm

      Shelly, your comment made me laugh! 🙂 But I try not to roll that way most of the time

  17. Leanne on March 23, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Oh I’m so glad you expressed this Loran, I’ve been feeling the same way – we are surrounded by people telling us how to make a six figure income which, ok, would be nice but it’s certainly not my driving motivation and it puts a lot of pressure on people. The general theme in society seems to be to measure achievement in terms of dollars earned, whereas I see another trend emerging (one that fits more with my values) where achievement is measured by what we give out, how many lives we’ve touched. I’ll go with the second definition!
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    • Loran Hills on March 23, 2012 at 7:32 pm

      There is an underlying assumption somewhere that we all want boatloads of money, Leanne. As it has been said already, it isn’t the primary motivator for us heart-based entrepreneurs. Of course, no one will turn it away either!

  18. Becky Jaine on March 23, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    Insightful and beautiful sharing as always, Loran, and everyone commenting! Money is a societally agreed upon representation of energy. Personally I believe in the power of love and personal energy far more than I believe in money energy. Thankfully our world is rapidly changing and in the near future, money energy will devalue. Thanks for creating such a beautiful site.
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    • Loran Hills on March 23, 2012 at 10:47 pm

      I miss hearing from you, Becky Jaine. I hope you are well.

  19. Tony Fuentes on March 24, 2012 at 7:16 am

    Hey Loran, I’m glad you know what success looks like…to you! In the end that’s all that really matters – your definition. Like you, I also think that helping people is more rewarding than money. My family and I are moving to another state where the cost of living is cheaper and where living on 30k-40k is totally doable. I don’t feel like an underachiever at all. 🙂

    Unfortunately like you said, if i were yonger and on my own it would be different.
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    • Loran Hills on March 24, 2012 at 8:39 am

      What’s doable, Tony. Exactly.

  20. Leila Lloyd-Evelyn on March 24, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Hmmm. This is so relevant for us empathic, sensitive, healer types, many of whom have taken a vow of poverty & struggle to receive lots of monies! Me, me, me!!!

    This is such a fruity topic darling and you are already a total contribution to the world as you well know. Either way though, I hope the perfect amount of monies pours in for you and that connecting with lots of people is as fun & easeful as possible.

    XX
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  21. Elinor on March 24, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Loran, this is where I am, too – your post has really “landed where I live”!

    Over the last six months, I have really been challenging myself to regard my service work *as a business*, as this is the only way in which it will become sustainable, rather than draining my already meagre financial resources.

    As part of this, I’ve recently been taking as much free, online marketing and ‘spiritual’ business training as I can, and there is such a huge focus on that six figure mark, and ‘charging what you’re worth’. I find this so difficult. I have realised that while my fundamental sense of self-worth is absolutely rock solid, I, like you, have at some point taken a ‘vow of poverty’, and find it incredibly difficult to assess my worth in worldly terms. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

    I also have basic fears that I think a lot of women share, that having worldly and financial success from helping people is ‘wrong’, ‘disgusting’ and ‘damnable’, and I will be rejected by all who I love if I earn well from doing so. From this fear, I reject, deflect and simply ignore a lot of money opportunities, and generally make poor financial decisions when left to my own devices.

    In the process of trying to work this little mess out, I was almost seduced by the concept of ‘Platinum programmes’ and restricting myself to ‘high-end’ clients, but realised in time that *that is not who I am, and it is not how I operate*. My modus operandi is warmth and connection, with an iron core to lovingly challenge people when required, regardless of who the client is and what they can afford – commitment and mutual respect is what matters to me, not how much someone can pay.

    I’m going to do this my way. I’m glad that you are, too. 🙂
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  22. Becky Jaine on March 24, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Sweeties, I just HAD to share this linky http://www.heidemarieschwermer.com/englisch.html Heidemarie Schwermer lives completely without money. One day I aspire to be moneyless too. To me, that is total freedom.

    My mantra is “Enough is abundance to the wise.” Socrates.

    Even when I’ve been hungry, I’ve always somehow had enough to get me to the next moment. My former need –or really I should say “drive” for money came from a notion that there is not enough, not just enough money, but enough of what money can get for me (food, safety, shelter, clothing). I don’t believe that anymore.

    I’m a writer. Everything I write or create I offer for free. By using and giving my talents and joys, everything comes back to me tenfold. My children and I often give our art away at the fairs, because if someone loves our creations, I cannot withhold from them due to their monetary constraints.

    At Christmas, someone sent my family $100 to help us with presents for my children. I still don’t know who to thank, but now choose to see this possibility for kindness and have gratitude with and for everyone I meet.

    Thank you Loran, and ALL for this stimulating conversation and for allowing me to share. This topic has been something near and dear to my heart. Letting go of my need for money is a practice, like meditation: Some days it’s easier, and some days my ego rebels hard. Ultimately, my newfound commitment to live and give and create in service to others, makes MAGIC happen. It’s a beautiful thing.

  23. Ellie Di on March 25, 2012 at 8:43 am

    Dude, I am WITH you. I’m not terribly interested in making 100K a year – primarily because I don’t need that much money, but also because I’m not willing to undergo the amount of stress it seems to require. While I certainly do have lofty goals for myself, I can’t bring myself to believe that you MUST HAVE these specific things in order to be successful. We all have different milemarkers for success, as it should be. I’m happy for Jon that he’s found what works for him, but it’s not going to work for everyone. (Also, just a sidenote: I know several bloggers/biz people who have a list at or near 2K people and they’re definitely not making 100K a year. Just sayin’.)

    You do your thing! Rock your walk, you know? Your goals are your own, and if they make you truly happy, fuck what anyone else has to say about them. <3
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  24. Armi Niemi on March 25, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Great post! When we do what we enjoy in our own terms and pace, we will be happy and relaxed and don’t need much extra money. Besides, i think those people who go solely for the money actually will need it more to buy those expensive therapies to become happy! 🙂
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  25. Tami on March 25, 2012 at 10:20 am

    wonderful blog post! Money would be great for someone like me but to be honest I have more fun doing things I love to do…even when I don’t make a dime at it.
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
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  26. Ken on March 25, 2012 at 11:31 am

    The fact is that it is very difficult to make $10,000 on the internet, much less $100,000. Of course, Jon Morrow is going to make $100,000 off ten people, but I doubt very much that any of them will even make their money back. His reaction is typical of the attitudes that have caused our recent economic tailspin. I applaud you for setting your own goals, and defining success in a way that works for you. I wish more people would do this instead of simply following the herd.

  27. marcio on March 25, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    i think many people who are’starting their carreers and can hardly get enough money to pay their rents do normally get extremely anxious about not being able to make that kind of money a year. Experience can sometimes teach them that to some people it’s not worth the effort. For some others though, earning less than that may effectively mean ruining their lives. It depends heavily on one’s background, one’s expectations, one’s capacity to outgrow unrealistic expectations, on the cost of living where you were born, the quality of social securuty in your country, if you are alone or if you have a fmily, if your children got mature enough to become financialy independent. I don’t see a reason to condemn people who strive for that range of income. Some people better do it or they may end up in deep trouble. Being able to be happy with less is a blessing not granted to anyone.

  28. Dominee on March 25, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    I love that you stood up and asked your question! Kudos to you.
    I also struggle with the money=success equation. I have a full time job that I intend to keep so my bills are covered, I’m also good at saving, so the money from my business is “extra”. I’ve determined that my success= the # of people who say “thank you” or “you’ve helped me”. Best equation ever. Thank you for speaking up for all of us “underachievers” who put our heart into everything we do!

  29. Christine (Girl on Fire) Reed on March 26, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Here’s a question: if you don’t “need” that “kind of money,” think what you could do for OTHERS if you DID have it.

    Money is never the issue, of course, as you are sussing out here and as has been pointed out. Money is energy.

    And I want more energy. I want to be able to give a friend the 10 grand they are in dire need of, for example. I want to be able to help other women open small businesses. I want to give a local non profit the cash they usually have to fight tooth and nail for.

    See? When we limit ourselves, we limit our larger community.

    Just thoughts.
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  30. Loran Hills on March 26, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    There have been so many great comments that my replies got away from me!

    I did mention, Christine, that I would give money away but didn’t specify. Specifically? I would love to help pay for extra dance lessons for my friend’s daughter. I would donate to local non-profits who struggle. I would help pay medical bills for friends without insurance. I’d love to send money to the school in Bhutan that we visited. No end of ideas about how to give it away! And yes, as I imagine it, I feel more free and open.

    It’s been a great discussion!

  31. Jessica Smith on March 26, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    I would love to make $100k in a year, but if it means selling our or doing something I don’t enjoy, then forget about it. My favorite craft blogger got so “huge” in that Internet world that it all seems to be sponsored posts and guest posts… It just doesn’t feel as authentic. If my blog ever hits it big, I really don’t want to be a total sell out…

    • Loran Hills on March 26, 2012 at 2:22 pm

      I’ve seen the sell out happen too. It always makes me sad but we all do what we gotta do, or want to do, anyway.

  32. Linnette Dooley on March 26, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    Hi Loran – I haven’t listened to that webinar yet. Should I trash it or is there some worthwhile info? I have mentioned to you that I went through Laura Roeder’s Creating Fame in the Fall of 2010. Stella Seaspirit is also an alumni. Creating Fame is only open twice a year – It opens again April 6. I spent about $1,500 as I also purchased Zero to Facebook , Zero to WordPress, Backstage Pass to Twitter (which I have not even gone through yet). I did not have a website and I had not been on social media before Laura’s programs. I was at ground zero. The Facebook group for Creating Fame is awesome lifetime support (actually all her programs are for your lifetime so you get updates). Personally I do not think I need another program, I think I have to work on what I know and in time everything will work out. I read Copyblogger, Max Simon has some great videos (bigvisionbusiness.com), : David Risley.com sometimes has good stuff – actually, sign up to receive his Six FIgure Blogger Blueprint for free (it has great material!). I listen to some of Lisa Sasevich’s freebies. And of course Goddess Leonie is a great model. I happen to believe that I can make six figures and I don’t have to pay someone $10,000 to do it. You might ask Stella if she would recommend Creating Fame. I let myself get beat up my first year thinking that I needed to do these expensive programs. I done with that. Hope you find the right next step for you.
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  33. samantha jenkins on March 27, 2012 at 10:37 am

    I’m a bit late to the thread but I agree with so many comments shared. Money is only one, very materially embedded way to measure success. It’s great for choice and great when you can afford to live well and give to others so that they can live well too. Underachiever, what a load of b …aloney!

  34. Dionne, the Tea Priestess on March 27, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Whoa! Your post is definitely a subject I’ve been kicking around for the last few months. That 6 figure round number salary sure does have sound nice on paper but you really have to weigh in on whether you are willing to commit to exchanging your time energy for the money energy? For me the answer is no as I cherish my time with my son in his childhood too much to give it up. Ultimately we each have to make decisions with our own best interests at heart. Whether his response was intended as a joke or not, it’s obvious his interests were not in alignment with yours.
    Thanks for sharing! This really helped me get clearer on where I want to be as well.
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  35. farouk on March 29, 2012 at 3:38 am

    hi Loran
    its all about your goals
    if your goals is to live a good life with 20,000 a year and you achieved it then you are a super achiever
    if your goal is to make 1,000,000 a year and you made 6,00,000 then you are an under achiever

    what i mean is, only you can evaluate you according to your own goals
    as long as you are happy then you achieved the most out of life 🙂

  36. Stella Seaspirit on March 30, 2012 at 6:17 am

    I consider myself successful when I flop into bed at the end of the day feeling good about myself as a person, that I have made a difference in somebody’s life no matter how small I think it is (it may be a significant turning point for them and I probably will never know) and satisfied that I have contributed to the greater whole.

    At the end of the year I assess my business success by reflecting on my non-material accomplishments, that is, touching people’s lives, instilling a sense of magic in their everyday being and inspiring them to invite more magic into their daily existence. That is my obsession.
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  37. Wendy on April 15, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    This post reminds me of a poem (sorry I don’t have author’s name?) Maybe this is talking about financial comfort zones?

    “I bargained with Life for a penny,
    And Life would pay no more,
    However I begged at evening
    When I counted my scanty store.

    For Life is a just employer,
    He gives you what you ask,
    But once you have set the wages,
    Why, you must bear the task.

    I worked for a menial’s hire,
    Only to learn, dismayed,
    That any wage I had asked of Life,
    Life would have willingly paid.”

  38. Kathy Ver Eecke on May 1, 2012 at 7:41 am

    Loran –
    Wow, I walked away from Jon’s webinar with a completely different take. Jon’s story is an inspirational one – he suffers from a form of MS that left him paralyzed from the neck down. He has use of only the muscles on his face. Yet despite that overwhelming obstacle he was able to build a very large, very successful business in a few short years. He is currently one of the most sought-after web experts in the US.

    I walked away from the webinar feeling like, if Jon could overcome obstacles that would crush many of us, and create the kind of life that allows him to live comfortably, and do what he loves (not to mention cover what I am sure are unimaginable medical bills) then I can also chart a path to life I want.

    I somehow missed your question and Jon’s answers. It doesn’t really sound like him. If, however, it helped you crystalize what you want, then okay.

    I guess we all hear what we need to hear.
    Kathy
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    • Loran Hills on May 1, 2012 at 8:00 am

      Hi Kathy,

      I do admire what Jon has accomplished, what he has done is incredible and obviously he has great marketing skills. The challenges he has endured and overcome are unimaginable. I certainly never intended to downplay any of that.

      My point was whether or not $100,000 defines success for me and it’s not. So, while I did appreciate Jon’s tips for creating success, I’ve had to continue to define what success means to me.

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